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Subject: Canadian horses (was Morgans)
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Date: 1991-05-26 04:04:47 PST
In Message-ID: <6205@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> Barbara Roy writes:
In article <1991May23.143710.16038@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, rmvale@watnow.waterloo.edu (Ruth Vale) writes...
>
>Sport and family morgans are very much in demand in Canada and are apparently
>more popular than the show/halter types right now, or so I've been told.
>There is also a breed registry for part morgans with Arab, TB
>and Canadian (now there's a great breed!) crosses being the most popular.
>
Is this a new breed of horse. I've never heard of a 'Canadian' horse. I'd
be interested in learning more about it.
Barbara,
Canadians are actually an old breed, descendents of the horses brought
to New France ca. 1600s and used by the habitant (tenant farmers
and servants) population in the seigneuries along the St. Lawrence
river. They are very tough horses. They come in two types,
like Morgans, and have a versatile set of usages from riding to draft.
Like Morgans, Canadians very nearly were lost when mechanized farming
and autos were so popular, but the local breed associations have done
a wonderful job of restoring the blood lines. The smaller Canadians
are 14-15hh, tend to be finer and are used for riding and driving purposes.
The larger Canadians are built heavier and tend to be 15-16hh or better
with very solid bodies, great legs and wonderful draft-type temperaments.
"
Subject: Canadian horses (was Morgans)
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Date: 1991-05-26 04:04:47 PST
In Message-ID: <6205@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> Barbara Roy writes:
In article <1991May23.143710.16038@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, rmvale@watnow.waterloo.edu (Ruth Vale) writes...
>
>Sport and family morgans are very much in demand in Canada and are apparently
>more popular than the show/halter types right now, or so I've been told.
>There is also a breed registry for part morgans with Arab, TB
>and Canadian (now there's a great breed!) crosses being the most popular.
>
Is this a new breed of horse. I've never heard of a 'Canadian' horse. I'd
be interested in learning more about it.
Barbara,
Canadians are actually an old breed, descendents of the horses brought
to New France ca. 1600s and used by the habitant (tenant farmers
and servants) population in the seigneuries along the St. Lawrence
river. They are very tough horses. They come in two types,
like Morgans, and have a versatile set of usages from riding to draft.
Like Morgans, Canadians very nearly were lost when mechanized farming
and autos were so popular, but the local breed associations have done
a wonderful job of restoring the blood lines. The smaller Canadians
are 14-15hh, tend to be finer and are used for riding and driving purposes.
The larger Canadians are built heavier and tend to be 15-16hh or better
with very solid bodies, great legs and wonderful draft-type temperaments.
"
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From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM)
Subject: Re: any MORGANS out there?
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Date: 1993-08-02 09:12:11 PST
>Well All I see is Arabians out there in NET-Land. I raise and breed Morgans
>and fell that they are a wonderful horse. I do mountain riding (rocky and
>very hilly). I have a Quarter horse mare and I also had a Standard Bred. All
>nice horses but did not hold up in the mountains. I must say that I breed the
>OLD STYLE Morgans. Short, Stalky and very, very strong!
>Just wanted to add my two cents. And I will also get my fire suit ready.
>Bye.
>Dave Bond
>Mountain View Farm
>Preserving the Morgan heritage!
Hello Dave,
Well, I've been off the net for a few days, so haven't seen whatever replies
you might have received. There are quite a few of us who have and love
Morgans. ;-) Personally I have a mare and her 2 years old son. Of that same
type you describe. I do not show, more interested in trail riding so often
the participation here on my part is reading the interesting bits. We have
had a few discussions on Morgans in the past though. Haven't really seen
any flames. I think the Morgan folks here have resigned themselves to the
fact that there are at least two varieties of Morgans and both types are
fine for the folks who like that type.
Tell us about your horses. ;-)
Diane K. and
Chualar Springtime (Waseeka Peter Piper X Chualar Valentine), 15 YO. &
DMK Fancy Dancer "
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM)
Subject: Re: any MORGANS out there?
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Date: 1993-08-02 09:12:11 PST
>Well All I see is Arabians out there in NET-Land. I raise and breed Morgans
>and fell that they are a wonderful horse. I do mountain riding (rocky and
>very hilly). I have a Quarter horse mare and I also had a Standard Bred. All
>nice horses but did not hold up in the mountains. I must say that I breed the
>OLD STYLE Morgans. Short, Stalky and very, very strong!
>Just wanted to add my two cents. And I will also get my fire suit ready.
>Bye.
>Dave Bond
>Mountain View Farm
>Preserving the Morgan heritage!
Hello Dave,
Well, I've been off the net for a few days, so haven't seen whatever replies
you might have received. There are quite a few of us who have and love
Morgans. ;-) Personally I have a mare and her 2 years old son. Of that same
type you describe. I do not show, more interested in trail riding so often
the participation here on my part is reading the interesting bits. We have
had a few discussions on Morgans in the past though. Haven't really seen
any flames. I think the Morgan folks here have resigned themselves to the
fact that there are at least two varieties of Morgans and both types are
fine for the folks who like that type.
Tell us about your horses. ;-)
Diane K. and
Chualar Springtime (Waseeka Peter Piper X Chualar Valentine), 15 YO. &
DMK Fancy Dancer "
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From: Diana York/Hawk Meadow Morgans (hawkmeadow@pipeline.com)
Subject: Re: old-type Morgans
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Date: 1997/03/02
Mystical Moon wrote:
>Hey, is there anyone out there who's familiar with the old type Morgans.
>Yes, I mean the 14 hand, Justin Morgan types. I fancy Morgans anyways,
>but tend toward the old-types. If there's contacts out there, go ahead
>and e-mail me.
>Thanks
>mystical@midcoast.com
Yes - there are! Many of us actually! I have 6 Morgans and one is a
14 hand black Morgan mare that is IMO the epitome of Morgan type. She
is a multi champion carriage driving horse also. My breeding program
is basically Funquest (Brunk/Flyhawk/Midwest/old Government) .
There are many Morgan sites on the Web and a Morgan Mailing List and
Morgan Chat Room. Check out my web page for links to all these sites.
Hope to hear from you and would love to have you visit - not sure
where you are located!
~~~Hawk Meadow Morgan Sport Horses~~~
Home of Funquest Black Hawk
Hawk Meadow Morgans: http://www.pipeline.com/~hawkmeadow/index.htm
The Funquest Club: http://www.pipeline.com/~hawkmeadow/funquest.htm"
From: Diana York/Hawk Meadow Morgans (hawkmeadow@pipeline.com)
Subject: Re: old-type Morgans
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Date: 1997/03/02
Mystical Moon
>Hey, is there anyone out there who's familiar with the old type Morgans.
>Yes, I mean the 14 hand, Justin Morgan types. I fancy Morgans anyways,
>but tend toward the old-types. If there's contacts out there, go ahead
>and e-mail me.
>Thanks
>mystical@midcoast.com
Yes - there are! Many of us actually! I have 6 Morgans and one is a
14 hand black Morgan mare that is IMO the epitome of Morgan type. She
is a multi champion carriage driving horse also. My breeding program
is basically Funquest (Brunk/Flyhawk/Midwest/old Government) .
There are many Morgan sites on the Web and a Morgan Mailing List and
Morgan Chat Room. Check out my web page for links to all these sites.
Hope to hear from you and would love to have you visit - not sure
where you are located!
~~~Hawk Meadow Morgan Sport Horses
Home of Funquest Black Hawk
Hawk Meadow Morgans: http://www.pipeline.com/~hawkmeadow/index.htm
The Funquest Club: http://www.pipeline.com/~hawkmeadow/funquest.htm"
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From: jos@kiewit.dartmouth.edu (jos@kiewit.dartmouth.edu)
Subject: History of the Lippett Morgans
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Date: 1991-05-16 13:33:44 PST
Just to give a little more history of the Lippitt Morgan. Robert Lippitt
Knight in 1927 purchased the Green Mountain Stock Farm in Randolph, Vermont
(remember Randolph--that's where Justin Morgan brought his colt and is
buried in the Randoph Cemetery). Knight used two stallions and six mares,
all tracing back to the original Morgan as directly and as often as any
Morgans alive at that time.
Mr. Knight played a major role in saving the traditional Vermont Morgans
from extinction, as most breeders had by that time were outbreeding to
Saddlebreds, Thoroughbreds and other bloods in order to 'improve' the
Morgan breed.
The Lippitt Club, a group of owners and admirers of these old-style
Vermont Morgans, borrowed its name from Mr. Knight, who used 'Lippitt'
as his breeding prefix.
The Lippitt is unique, not only among Morgans, but among all breeds of
horses, because of the intense line breeding and inbreeding that have
kept it free of known outcrosses. All Lippitts trace back, on many lines,
the our 'cornerstone stallion', Peter's Ethan Allen II 406, bred by the
Peters family of Bradford, Vermont in 1877.
From the introduction in the show book of the 1989 Lipitt Country Show.
(THe 17th Annual one will be this coming August 24th & 25th at the Green
Mountain Horse Assoc.Grounds, South Woodstock, Vt.)
"
From: jos@kiewit.dartmouth.edu (jos@kiewit.dartmouth.edu)
Subject: History of the Lippett Morgans
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Date: 1991-05-16 13:33:44 PST
Just to give a little more history of the Lippitt Morgan. Robert Lippitt
Knight in 1927 purchased the Green Mountain Stock Farm in Randolph, Vermont
(remember Randolph--that's where Justin Morgan brought his colt and is
buried in the Randoph Cemetery). Knight used two stallions and six mares,
all tracing back to the original Morgan as directly and as often as any
Morgans alive at that time.
Mr. Knight played a major role in saving the traditional Vermont Morgans
from extinction, as most breeders had by that time were outbreeding to
Saddlebreds, Thoroughbreds and other bloods in order to 'improve' the
Morgan breed.
The Lippitt Club, a group of owners and admirers of these old-style
Vermont Morgans, borrowed its name from Mr. Knight, who used 'Lippitt'
as his breeding prefix.
The Lippitt is unique, not only among Morgans, but among all breeds of
horses, because of the intense line breeding and inbreeding that have
kept it free of known outcrosses. All Lippitts trace back, on many lines,
the our 'cornerstone stallion', Peter's Ethan Allen II 406, bred by the
Peters family of Bradford, Vermont in 1877.
From the introduction in the show book of the 1989 Lipitt Country Show.
(THe 17th Annual one will be this coming August 24th & 25th at the Green
Mountain Horse Assoc.Grounds, South Woodstock, Vt.)
"
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From: Jim & Laura Behning (morgans@atl.mindspring.com)
Subject: Re: American Warmbloods/Morgans/Saddlebreds
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Date: 1998/11/05
kanderso@williams.edu wrote:
>In article <363e8caf.57137763@news.atl.mindspring.com>,
>> morgans@atl.mindspring.com wrote:
>>> BlueIris wrote:
>> >Of curiosity - wasn't there another who bred both Morgans and Saddlebreds in MA that also got
>> >into trouble a few years back? I had heard something about him putting his Morgan stallion
>> >down so that it would not be blood tested, and that there was trouble with the Morgan
>> >registry about crossbreeding, but I never heard any more about it.
>>
>> I've never heard anything about such.
> I don't remember the details, but some woman was prosecuted for showing, and
>selling (?) registered Morgans that turned out not to be purebred.
Yes. This was the case that I mentioned earlier in the thread. ONE
breeder. She lived not in MA, but in NH. A woman, not a man. Anything
else anyone may have heard would be rumour. IOW, not substantiated in
a court of law.
>
> I do remember that there was a lot of rumor and speculation going
>around about that time because some of the Morgans who were being shown in
>saddleseat classes seemed to be very large, and very coarse-headed compared
>to the Morgans people were used to seeing. AFAIK, that one breeder was the
>only one who was actually convicted, but the Morgan 'ty"
From: Jim & Laura Behning (morgans@atl.mindspring.com)
Subject: Re: American Warmbloods/Morgans/Saddlebreds
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Date: 1998/11/05
kanderso@williams.edu wrote:
>In article <363e8caf.57137763@news.atl.mindspring.com>,
>> morgans@atl.mindspring.com wrote:
>>> BlueIris
>> >Of curiosity - wasn't there another who bred both Morgans and Saddlebreds in MA that also got
>> >into trouble a few years back? I had heard something about him putting his Morgan stallion
>> >down so that it would not be blood tested, and that there was trouble with the Morgan
>> >registry about crossbreeding, but I never heard any more about it.
>>
>> I've never heard anything about such.
> I don't remember the details, but some woman was prosecuted for showing, and
>selling (?) registered Morgans that turned out not to be purebred.
Yes. This was the case that I mentioned earlier in the thread. ONE
breeder. She lived not in MA, but in NH. A woman, not a man. Anything
else anyone may have heard would be rumour. IOW, not substantiated in
a court of law.
>
> I do remember that there was a lot of rumor and speculation going
>around about that time because some of the Morgans who were being shown in
>saddleseat classes seemed to be very large, and very coarse-headed compared
>to the Morgans people were used to seeing. AFAIK, that one breeder was the
>only one who was actually convicted, but the Morgan 'ty"
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From: John D'Addamio (jd@rust.zso.dec.com)
Subject: Why no white in Morgans?
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I was asked off-line about the origin of the so-called 'white' rule in
Morgans. I'll paraphrase the rule and say that it prevents registration of
a horse which has NATURAL white above the knees(or hocks) excluding the head.
Horses which have had part of their coat turn white due to injury or disease
can be registered.
Since I no longer breed Morgans, I don't have a copy of the registration
rules anymore but, as I remember the rules, they also preclude registration
of blue-eyed horses. If there are any Morgan breeders out there who are
breeding for colors like palomino/buckskin, beware. If you breed 2
palomino/buckskin horses together, about 1 in 4 foals will be cremello or
perlino. While I think cremello and perlino are legitimate colors for
registration, such horses frequently have blue eyes which would preclude
their registration.
In case anybody is wondering, the dilution gene which turns bay into buckskin
and chestnut into palomino has been around in Morgans since the very
beginning! One of the grandsons of the foundation stallion was buckskin.
That was the Wheeler Horse aka the Buckskin Wheeler Horse. He was a son of
Revenge, one of Figure's less prominent sons. Although many buckskin/palomino
Morgans trace to this horse, he's not the only source of the gene.
The white rule was put into effect in 1962 because of 2 horses. These horses
wer"
From: John D'Addamio (jd@rust.zso.dec.com)
Subject: Why no white in Morgans?
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Date: 1993-05-18 16:46:16 PST
I was asked off-line about the origin of the so-called 'white' rule in
Morgans. I'll paraphrase the rule and say that it prevents registration of
a horse which has NATURAL white above the knees(or hocks) excluding the head.
Horses which have had part of their coat turn white due to injury or disease
can be registered.
Since I no longer breed Morgans, I don't have a copy of the registration
rules anymore but, as I remember the rules, they also preclude registration
of blue-eyed horses. If there are any Morgan breeders out there who are
breeding for colors like palomino/buckskin, beware. If you breed 2
palomino/buckskin horses together, about 1 in 4 foals will be cremello or
perlino. While I think cremello and perlino are legitimate colors for
registration, such horses frequently have blue eyes which would preclude
their registration.
In case anybody is wondering, the dilution gene which turns bay into buckskin
and chestnut into palomino has been around in Morgans since the very
beginning! One of the grandsons of the foundation stallion was buckskin.
That was the Wheeler Horse aka the Buckskin Wheeler Horse. He was a son of
Revenge, one of Figure's less prominent sons. Although many buckskin/palomino
Morgans trace to this horse, he's not the only source of the gene.
The white rule was put into effect in 1962 because of 2 horses. These horses
wer"
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Google Search: morgans: "From: Jim & Laura Behning (morgans@atl.mindspring.com)
Subject: Re: Saddlebreds and Morgans: Hereditary Swaybacks? Why?!?
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Date: 1998/03/02
Patrick & Ruth wrote:
>Yesterday we went to look at a 7 yr old morgan gelding.
>My husband rode him W-T-C & did some flexions. He's a
>nice enough horse and all but watching him I couldn't stop
>thinking of a really large dachshund. The scary part is
>Patrick wants to buy it. (Sweet Lord, NO!)
Is he long because of a long back (a big fault) or long because of a
greatly laid back shoulder and a long hip (both considered points of
Morgan type)? Proper Morgan type produces an animal which appears long
on the *underside* because of the shoulder layback and long hip,
combined with relatively short legs.
>I know next to nothing about the breed. Does anyone know if
>a Morgan can handle 10+ mile XC pace keeping up with a Tb?
>(I have serious doubts no matter what kind of shape we whip
>him into)
Like any other breed, it depends on the individual. Morgans have been
successful in endurance and CT, eventing (Denny Emerson has several
Morgan stallions in training), and combined driving, all events which
require a fair amount of staying power ;-).
Sticking with the subject line- there are some lines of show Morgans
that have a low or 'dippy' back, but much of it is optical illusion
from a rump high conformation. I've never seen what I would consider
an actual *sway-back"
Subject: Re: Saddlebreds and Morgans: Hereditary Swaybacks? Why?!?
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Date: 1998/03/02
Patrick & Ruth
>Yesterday we went to look at a 7 yr old morgan gelding.
>My husband rode him W-T-C & did some flexions. He's a
>nice enough horse and all but watching him I couldn't stop
>thinking of a really large dachshund. The scary part is
>Patrick wants to buy it. (Sweet Lord, NO!)
Is he long because of a long back (a big fault) or long because of a
greatly laid back shoulder and a long hip (both considered points of
Morgan type)? Proper Morgan type produces an animal which appears long
on the *underside* because of the shoulder layback and long hip,
combined with relatively short legs.
>I know next to nothing about the breed. Does anyone know if
>a Morgan can handle 10+ mile XC pace keeping up with a Tb?
>(I have serious doubts no matter what kind of shape we whip
>him into)
Like any other breed, it depends on the individual. Morgans have been
successful in endurance and CT, eventing (Denny Emerson has several
Morgan stallions in training), and combined driving, all events which
require a fair amount of staying power ;-).
Sticking with the subject line- there are some lines of show Morgans
that have a low or 'dippy' back, but much of it is optical illusion
from a rump high conformation. I've never seen what I would consider
an actual *sway-back"
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Subject: Morgans in the QH breed, was Re: QH Just when you think they've hit a low
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Date: 1999/01/21
'Nancy Castle' wrote:
>Hey, Jorene, guess what I found while doing some pedigree research for a
>friend a few months ago? A registered Morgan stallion!!! This Morgan
>showed up just prior to the start of AQHA.
>
>It might take me a bit of digging to find it again, but if you are
>interested in finding out if this line could be related to Mariah, let me
>know.
I'd be interested, Nancy! Who was it?
There was a definite Morgan influence in the early QH's- unfortunately
the *names* of many of theses Morgans have been lost to history. For
instance, a dun mare named Pope's Goldie (P-6148) foaled in 1932 (bred
by JA Ranch, TX) was by Yellow Boy 18 and out of the JA sorrel mare,
who was by 'a Morgan horse'.
Tom Burnett of the Triangle Ranch used the Brunk-bred Morgans Jubilee
King (an extremely influential stallion in the Morgan breed in his
later years; for two of his close-up descendants, see my web pages and
check out 'Mera' and 'Boy'- typical of the mostly flaxen chestnuts
from this line) and the mare Deura in his breeding program. Most of
Jubilee King's offspring were gelded for ranch use, but he sired some
good QH broodmares as well including Mc's Rat (who produced the
palomino stallion, Mack's Goldfish 23470).
Other Morgan stallions foun"
Subject: Morgans in the QH breed, was Re: QH Just when you think they've hit a low
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Date: 1999/01/21
'Nancy Castle'
>Hey, Jorene, guess what I found while doing some pedigree research for a
>friend a few months ago? A registered Morgan stallion!!! This Morgan
>showed up just prior to the start of AQHA.
>
>It might take me a bit of digging to find it again, but if you are
>interested in finding out if this line could be related to Mariah, let me
>know.
I'd be interested, Nancy! Who was it?
There was a definite Morgan influence in the early QH's- unfortunately
the *names* of many of theses Morgans have been lost to history. For
instance, a dun mare named Pope's Goldie (P-6148) foaled in 1932 (bred
by JA Ranch, TX) was by Yellow Boy 18 and out of the JA sorrel mare,
who was by 'a Morgan horse'.
Tom Burnett of the Triangle Ranch used the Brunk-bred Morgans Jubilee
King (an extremely influential stallion in the Morgan breed in his
later years; for two of his close-up descendants, see my web pages and
check out 'Mera' and 'Boy'- typical of the mostly flaxen chestnuts
from this line) and the mare Deura in his breeding program. Most of
Jubilee King's offspring were gelded for ranch use, but he sired some
good QH broodmares as well including Mc's Rat (who produced the
palomino stallion, Mack's Goldfish 23470).
Other Morgan stallions foun"
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Subject: blue eyes in Morgans
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Date: 1999/06/23
I am in the process of writing an article for The Rainbow Morgan Horse
Assoc. on odd markings in Morgans. While the sabino gene does exist in
Morgans, I had not seen a blue eyed sabino Morgan until this past
weekend. He is a colt born this year to a mare I used to own. He has
two hind socks (one with the characteristic sabino 'point' at the
front), a big blaze, a right eye that is strikingly blue, and a left
eye with a blue 'feather' in the corner. The blaze does not touch his
eyes. How common in this, Paint folks? I thought it was fairly rare
for a horse to have blue eyes unless the facial white extended over
the eyes, although Sponenberg does have a photo of a bay Clydesdale
with a blue eye whose facial white doesn't touch the eyes. Any info or
web sources y'all can give me would be MUCH appreciated!
Laura Behning
morgans at mindspring dot com
http://www.mindspring.com/~morgans/Laura.htm"
Subject: blue eyes in Morgans
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Date: 1999/06/23
I am in the process of writing an article for The Rainbow Morgan Horse
Assoc. on odd markings in Morgans. While the sabino gene does exist in
Morgans, I had not seen a blue eyed sabino Morgan until this past
weekend. He is a colt born this year to a mare I used to own. He has
two hind socks (one with the characteristic sabino 'point' at the
front), a big blaze, a right eye that is strikingly blue, and a left
eye with a blue 'feather' in the corner. The blaze does not touch his
eyes. How common in this, Paint folks? I thought it was fairly rare
for a horse to have blue eyes unless the facial white extended over
the eyes, although Sponenberg does have a photo of a bay Clydesdale
with a blue eye whose facial white doesn't touch the eyes. Any info or
web sources y'all can give me would be MUCH appreciated!
Laura Behning
morgans at mindspring dot com
http://www.mindspring.com/~morgans/Laura.htm"
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Google Search: morgans: "From: John D'Addamio (jd@leigh.zso.dec.com)
Subject: Re: Morgans/Friesians
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Date: 1994-02-02 11:47:31 PST
Erin said:
-There has been a long-lasting debate about the origin of the Morgan horse.
-Many breeders (not just world-renowned author and artist Jeanne Mellin) DO
-believe that the Morgan horse indeed descended from the Friesian. There has
-been reference to a 'Dutch Horse' being in/around the region during the time
-that Figure was sired. Jeanne Mellin might well have offhandedly referred to
-this in her book. Although I cannot for the life of me place my hands on my
-source for this information, but it did not come from Jeanne's book. Perhaps
-'Out of the Archives (TMH)' or some other source. I might add that Jeanne
-Mellin has done decades of research on Morgan horses, and I would not believe
-that she would base her suggestion on offhand knowledge. What solid support
-is there for the TB/Arabian source of Figure's parentage? About the same as
-for a Friesian, I believe.
True, Justin Morgan did on occassion refer to Figure as a 'Dutch Horse' but
no one of that era called him a Friesian. In fact, it was common to refer to
anything(not just horses) that came from New York as 'Dutch' because NY had
been a Dutch colony. Based on stallion ads, etc, it is believed that Figure
was sired by True Briton. True Briton is known to have been from NY. In the
common speech of the day, that made him a Dutch horse. He is also believed
to have been of imported stock.
There has been much argum"
Subject: Re: Morgans/Friesians
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Date: 1994-02-02 11:47:31 PST
Erin said:
-There has been a long-lasting debate about the origin of the Morgan horse.
-Many breeders (not just world-renowned author and artist Jeanne Mellin) DO
-believe that the Morgan horse indeed descended from the Friesian. There has
-been reference to a 'Dutch Horse' being in/around the region during the time
-that Figure was sired. Jeanne Mellin might well have offhandedly referred to
-this in her book. Although I cannot for the life of me place my hands on my
-source for this information, but it did not come from Jeanne's book. Perhaps
-'Out of the Archives (TMH)' or some other source. I might add that Jeanne
-Mellin has done decades of research on Morgan horses, and I would not believe
-that she would base her suggestion on offhand knowledge. What solid support
-is there for the TB/Arabian source of Figure's parentage? About the same as
-for a Friesian, I believe.
True, Justin Morgan did on occassion refer to Figure as a 'Dutch Horse' but
no one of that era called him a Friesian. In fact, it was common to refer to
anything(not just horses) that came from New York as 'Dutch' because NY had
been a Dutch colony. Based on stallion ads, etc, it is believed that Figure
was sired by True Briton. True Briton is known to have been from NY. In the
common speech of the day, that made him a Dutch horse. He is also believed
to have been of imported stock.
There has been much argum"
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Google Search: morgans: "From: Ann Williams (annw@ncsugn.ncsu.edu)
Subject: Re: Morgans: Park and Old Style (was Re: studdy behavior in geldings)
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Date: 1991-05-13 13:20:55 PST
Rita,
This is not meant to flame you at all but you are a little off on
your Morgan facts. There are basically three Morgan families. Lippitt,
Government and Brunk. Most all Morgans of today trace back to one of these
three because of the very limited number of Morgans bred and registered
during WWII. The Nocturne horse that you speak of is Wasakee's Nocturne
and yest he is the most popular bloodline of today. He is not a government
bred horse though but a cross between Brunk, legal Saddlebred blood and
government. Nocturen was by a horse named Starfire (bred by Mr. Brunk) out
of Upwey Benn Quietude (a full sister to Upwey Ben Don). Quietude was by
Upwey Kinn Benn who was by a regestered Saddlebred and out of the government
bred mare, Audrey. Upwer Benn Quietude was out of Quietude who was a
government mare.
The govenment horses were bred by the US Govenment farm until the
early 1950's. There was a lot of out crossing to other breeds of horses done
by them. This is the main reason the farm went out of business. These
horses were bred for the remount service and very little emphasis was put
one type or Morgan look. Each horse was put through a test at an early age
to see if he was suited for work phsically. Because of the Saddlebred blood
that was used, some of these horses had more natural motion than the
'purer' old type Morgans.
Enter the Lippitts. The Lippitt Club was formed in "
Subject: Re: Morgans: Park and Old Style (was Re: studdy behavior in geldings)
View: Complete Thread (13 articles)
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Date: 1991-05-13 13:20:55 PST
Rita,
This is not meant to flame you at all but you are a little off on
your Morgan facts. There are basically three Morgan families. Lippitt,
Government and Brunk. Most all Morgans of today trace back to one of these
three because of the very limited number of Morgans bred and registered
during WWII. The Nocturne horse that you speak of is Wasakee's Nocturne
and yest he is the most popular bloodline of today. He is not a government
bred horse though but a cross between Brunk, legal Saddlebred blood and
government. Nocturen was by a horse named Starfire (bred by Mr. Brunk) out
of Upwey Benn Quietude (a full sister to Upwey Ben Don). Quietude was by
Upwey Kinn Benn who was by a regestered Saddlebred and out of the government
bred mare, Audrey. Upwer Benn Quietude was out of Quietude who was a
government mare.
The govenment horses were bred by the US Govenment farm until the
early 1950's. There was a lot of out crossing to other breeds of horses done
by them. This is the main reason the farm went out of business. These
horses were bred for the remount service and very little emphasis was put
one type or Morgan look. Each horse was put through a test at an early age
to see if he was suited for work phsically. Because of the Saddlebred blood
that was used, some of these horses had more natural motion than the
'purer' old type Morgans.
Enter the Lippitts. The Lippitt Club was formed in "
Google Search: morgans
Google Search: morgans: "
Search Result 7
From: Jim & Laura Behning (morgans@atl.mindspring.com)
Subject: Re: morgans?
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Date: 2001-01-03 10:57:35 PST
horcgal@pipeline.com (Karen) wrote:
>Hi,
>Can anyone who owns/rides morgans tell me something about them. or
>direct me to a good informative website.
Probably the best website, with MANY links, is the AMHA's at
http://www.morganhorse.com
>Ive only encountered one morgan a few years ago. He was a cute thing.
>Not real big, maybe 14.3 to 15h. liver color. He was kinda fine built.
>But, had the sweetest attitude and personality, calm, quiet, seemed to
>be relatively intelligent. He was at a sale barn that I worked at for
>years. I didnt get to do a whole lot of messing with him because the
>first people that came in looking for something the family could
>enjoy, he was sold.
Mine sound like this horse, although they are not the finer built
types. More stocky, 'old type', although there are two I wish had more
leg bone.
>Ive always had quarter horses, I like their looks and personality.
>The one morgan I met had a similar attitude.
>yes, I know in every breed there are exceptions and thousands of
>stories of psycho horses.
Yes, there are indeed 'hot' horses in every breed. With Morgans, it
depends on their bloodlines and past training. A Morgan bred and
trained for park or English Pleasure is often a bit of a handful for
the average amateur. A Morgan bred for sport use or western pleasure
"
Search Result 7
From: Jim & Laura Behning (morgans@atl.mindspring.com)
Subject: Re: morgans?
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Date: 2001-01-03 10:57:35 PST
horcgal@pipeline.com (Karen) wrote:
>Hi,
>Can anyone who owns/rides morgans tell me something about them. or
>direct me to a good informative website.
Probably the best website, with MANY links, is the AMHA's at
http://www.morganhorse.com
>Ive only encountered one morgan a few years ago. He was a cute thing.
>Not real big, maybe 14.3 to 15h. liver color. He was kinda fine built.
>But, had the sweetest attitude and personality, calm, quiet, seemed to
>be relatively intelligent. He was at a sale barn that I worked at for
>years. I didnt get to do a whole lot of messing with him because the
>first people that came in looking for something the family could
>enjoy, he was sold.
Mine sound like this horse, although they are not the finer built
types. More stocky, 'old type', although there are two I wish had more
leg bone.
>Ive always had quarter horses, I like their looks and personality.
>The one morgan I met had a similar attitude.
>yes, I know in every breed there are exceptions and thousands of
>stories of psycho horses.
Yes, there are indeed 'hot' horses in every breed. With Morgans, it
depends on their bloodlines and past training. A Morgan bred and
trained for park or English Pleasure is often a bit of a handful for
the average amateur. A Morgan bred for sport use or western pleasure
"
Google Search: morgans
Google Search: morgans: "From: Ruth Vale (rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca)
Subject: Lippitts: Was Re: Do Morgans come in grey?
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Date: 1993-05-15 09:25:42 PST
In article <1sug22$rv1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ktracy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karin L Tracy) writes:
>
>to disappear since they are not breeding stock. Lippitts are NOT a breed!
>They are a bloodline, like government, Brunk, Nocturne, etc. They
>trace back to old Vermont lines, and do not have the so-called
A fanatic Lippitt breeder would disagree with you - but I'm not
a fanatic. I'm simply reporting what I was told by Lippitt breeders.
Morgan owners of other bloodlines will disagree of course. Ken
Telford in particular has gone to great lengths to determine which
bloodlines are 'pure' Lippitt.
>Saddlebred blood which some of the original govt. breeding program
>mares (Mrs. Culvers had 'Kentucky' blood) had. One sire recognized as
Mrs. Culvers was a saddlebred, according to Ken Telford's study 'The
Origins of the Modern Morgan' (p. 189). He blames the Government (UVM)
for the 'destruction of Morgan type'.
He states:
Of the 543 foals produced and registered as Morgans by the Government
Farm, under a directive mandating the preservation of the Morgan horse -
no less than 301, or well over half were bred to sires who were either
registered Saddlebreds, or the sons of registered Saddlebreds or
Thoroughbreds or the grandsons of registered Saddlebreds or Throughbreds.
At the same time, of these same 543 foals"
Subject: Lippitts: Was Re: Do Morgans come in grey?
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Date: 1993-05-15 09:25:42 PST
In article <1sug22$rv1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ktracy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karin L Tracy) writes:
>
>to disappear since they are not breeding stock. Lippitts are NOT a breed!
>They are a bloodline, like government, Brunk, Nocturne, etc. They
>trace back to old Vermont lines, and do not have the so-called
A fanatic Lippitt breeder would disagree with you - but I'm not
a fanatic. I'm simply reporting what I was told by Lippitt breeders.
Morgan owners of other bloodlines will disagree of course. Ken
Telford in particular has gone to great lengths to determine which
bloodlines are 'pure' Lippitt.
>Saddlebred blood which some of the original govt. breeding program
>mares (Mrs. Culvers had 'Kentucky' blood) had. One sire recognized as
Mrs. Culvers was a saddlebred, according to Ken Telford's study 'The
Origins of the Modern Morgan' (p. 189). He blames the Government (UVM)
for the 'destruction of Morgan type'.
He states:
Of the 543 foals produced and registered as Morgans by the Government
Farm, under a directive mandating the preservation of the Morgan horse -
no less than 301, or well over half were bred to sires who were either
registered Saddlebreds, or the sons of registered Saddlebreds or
Thoroughbreds or the grandsons of registered Saddlebreds or Throughbreds.
At the same time, of these same 543 foals"
Google Search: morgans
Google Search: morgans: "From: Ruth Vale (rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca)
Subject: Lippitts (Was Do Morgans Come In Grey?)
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
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Date: 1993-05-15 08:32:58 PST
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
In-Reply-To:
References:
Organization: University of Waterloo
Cc:
Bcc:
In article you write:
>
>One question: What are Lippitts?
Lippitt Morgans are the direct descendents of the herd kept by Robert
Knight and dispersed upon his death in 1962. Robert Knight objected
to the Morgan registry changes in the 1930s, which permitted Saddlebreds
and Standardbreds to be registered as Morgans. He strongly opposed
inundating the registry with 'alien' blood. He line bred his herd
from Ashbrook, the 'crowning glory' of the breeding program started
by A. Fullerton Phillips, who systematically searched the Vermont
and New Hampshire country roads and farms for 'the few purely bred
Morgans that still survived after the turn of the century'.
Ken Telford writes that 'no less than 30 of the first 55 horses in
the Lippitt register were owned or bred by this one man (Phillips).'
Phillips produced 43 foals with not 'a single drop of saddlebred blood'.
Knight's breeding program was intended to preserve and perpetuate
the original Morgan type. Knight's herd was dispersed on his death,
but the Lippitt club breeders continue to work toward the same goal.
Lippitt Morgans are smallish (14.1 to 15.2h), upheaded with
a ve"
Subject: Lippitts (Was Do Morgans Come In Grey?)
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
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Date: 1993-05-15 08:32:58 PST
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
In-Reply-To:
References:
Organization: University of Waterloo
Cc:
Bcc:
In article
>
>One question: What are Lippitts?
Lippitt Morgans are the direct descendents of the herd kept by Robert
Knight and dispersed upon his death in 1962. Robert Knight objected
to the Morgan registry changes in the 1930s, which permitted Saddlebreds
and Standardbreds to be registered as Morgans. He strongly opposed
inundating the registry with 'alien' blood. He line bred his herd
from Ashbrook, the 'crowning glory' of the breeding program started
by A. Fullerton Phillips, who systematically searched the Vermont
and New Hampshire country roads and farms for 'the few purely bred
Morgans that still survived after the turn of the century'.
Ken Telford writes that 'no less than 30 of the first 55 horses in
the Lippitt register were owned or bred by this one man (Phillips).'
Phillips produced 43 foals with not 'a single drop of saddlebred blood'.
Knight's breeding program was intended to preserve and perpetuate
the original Morgan type. Knight's herd was dispersed on his death,
but the Lippitt club breeders continue to work toward the same goal.
Lippitt Morgans are smallish (14.1 to 15.2h), upheaded with
a ve"
Google Search: morgans
Google Search: morgans: "Search Result 4
From: Rachel (rachel_keiffer@yahoo.com)
Subject: Morgans as a sport horse?? Read on!!!
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Date: 2003-01-03 10:19:17 PST
This is long, so take your time. :-) Do you want me to give you any
more information??? Do you want pics??? I will send them to your email
:-)
Rachel
Known for its power, elegance and ability to go from collected,
precise movements to fully extended gaits,
the modern dressage horse must have the athletic abilities
associated with human ballet. While most modern dressage
stars are European horses bred specifically for these demands,
the Morgan is proving itself just as capable.
In 1994, the palomino gelding Triple S High Noon
was 15th in the nation at Third Level dressage,
besting 795 competitors from all breeds. Likewise,
the stallion Em-Jac's Tenacity was 20th in the highly
competitive First Level, against 1,831 competitors.
In 1995, Deborah Dougherty of Washington state
confirmed that Morgans can go the distance,
when she earned her U.S. Dressage Federation (USDF) Gold Medal,
riding her home-trained Morgan gelding, Beckridge Patrex.
Dougherty was the 94th rider to earn this
distinction out of the USDF's 30,000 members,
and one of the few to achieve it on an American-bred horse.
http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/morgan.html from this follows:
Morgan versatility is widely recognized. The breed's soundness, power
and stamina make it the choice of many driving enthusiasts.
"
From: Rachel (rachel_keiffer@yahoo.com)
Subject: Morgans as a sport horse?? Read on!!!
View: Complete Thread (15 articles)
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Date: 2003-01-03 10:19:17 PST
This is long, so take your time. :-) Do you want me to give you any
more information??? Do you want pics??? I will send them to your email
:-)
Rachel
Known for its power, elegance and ability to go from collected,
precise movements to fully extended gaits,
the modern dressage horse must have the athletic abilities
associated with human ballet. While most modern dressage
stars are European horses bred specifically for these demands,
the Morgan is proving itself just as capable.
In 1994, the palomino gelding Triple S High Noon
was 15th in the nation at Third Level dressage,
besting 795 competitors from all breeds. Likewise,
the stallion Em-Jac's Tenacity was 20th in the highly
competitive First Level, against 1,831 competitors.
In 1995, Deborah Dougherty of Washington state
confirmed that Morgans can go the distance,
when she earned her U.S. Dressage Federation (USDF) Gold Medal,
riding her home-trained Morgan gelding, Beckridge Patrex.
Dougherty was the 94th rider to earn this
distinction out of the USDF's 30,000 members,
and one of the few to achieve it on an American-bred horse.
http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/morgan.html from this follows:
Morgan versatility is widely recognized. The breed's soundness, power
and stamina make it the choice of many driving enthusiasts.
"
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Google Search: morgans: "Search Result 2
From: Jim & Laura Behning (morgans@atl.mindspring.com)
Subject: Re: Morgans
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Date: 1998/03/27
'Petra' wrote:
>>Equiflower wrote
>>I've come across a great-sounding Morgan in my search for a new >horse,
>>but my barn manager was less than enthusiastic at the thought of >having a
>>Morgan in her barn...she has one, and he's kind of a pain.
>Well - I only know a handful, as they are kind of rare here in the UK, but
>those are all beautiful, versatile, easy to handle and if I could afford one
>I'd have one. ( After the Andalusian and the Icelandic I would buy with a
>lottery win )
At the risk of sounding anthropomorphic ;-) Morgans are intelligent
and ambitious, and as with any intelligent breed they must be handled
more tactfully than many of the 'colder' breeds. They will not
tolerate abuse. IME they are generally more unflappable than the 'hot'
breeds. IMO Morgans are not always a good choice for a rank beginner
(especially one who will be unsupervised by a trainer or instructor
much of the time; although it is my belief that any beginner on ANY
horse SHOULD be supervised, this is not always the reality) because
they tend to be more opportunistic and 'dominant' than your average
QH, for example. There are exceptions, especially in older Morgans
that have been well trained and ridden their whole lives, IF you can
find one its owner wishes to part with- which seldom happens! Set
clear parameters, stick to "
From: Jim & Laura Behning (morgans@atl.mindspring.com)
Subject: Re: Morgans
View: Complete Thread (85 articles)
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Date: 1998/03/27
'Petra'
>>Equiflower wrote
>>I've come across a great-sounding Morgan in my search for a new >horse,
>>but my barn manager was less than enthusiastic at the thought of >having a
>>Morgan in her barn...she has one, and he's kind of a pain.
>Well - I only know a handful, as they are kind of rare here in the UK, but
>those are all beautiful, versatile, easy to handle and if I could afford one
>I'd have one. ( After the Andalusian and the Icelandic I would buy with a
>lottery win )
At the risk of sounding anthropomorphic ;-) Morgans are intelligent
and ambitious, and as with any intelligent breed they must be handled
more tactfully than many of the 'colder' breeds. They will not
tolerate abuse. IME they are generally more unflappable than the 'hot'
breeds. IMO Morgans are not always a good choice for a rank beginner
(especially one who will be unsupervised by a trainer or instructor
much of the time; although it is my belief that any beginner on ANY
horse SHOULD be supervised, this is not always the reality) because
they tend to be more opportunistic and 'dominant' than your average
QH, for example. There are exceptions, especially in older Morgans
that have been well trained and ridden their whole lives, IF you can
find one its owner wishes to part with- which seldom happens! Set
clear parameters, stick to "
Google Search: morgans
Google Search: morgans: "From: Velvet (velvethorse@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: Old-style Morgans (where to find them, is there a foundation registry)
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Date: 2002-11-13 06:35:39 PST
Jacqueline -
I have some good links:
http://www.sportmorgan.com/families/ This site talks about the lines of old
government, brunk, lippit, western working (for example names that start
with 'Lippitt', or lines that include Senator Graham, Jubilee King,
Bennington,Upway Ben Don, Ulysses, Applevale Storm King, Kingston, Warhawk,
Mansfield). It lists how the lines came to be, and what famous Morgans are
from those lines.
If you're looking for the old type Morgans, I would stay away from 'show'
lines such as Noble Flaire, Wham Bam Command, Noble Command,any that start
with UVM - such as UVM Promise, Waseeka's in Command, ones that start with
HVK - such as HVK Bell Flaire. Some people will argue that Wham Bam Command
was half Saddlebred. If you look at the Morgans nowadays, the Saddlebred
look wins - which is very sad. I too like the old style Morgans the best.
The old style Morgans are stocky, with thick necks and calm eyes. The
'show' Morgans are very refined, with long thin necks, big 'buggy' eyes, and
very hot temper. Every time I look at the show Morgans in the Morgan Horse
magazine, it makes me very sad to see what happened to the breed.
Fortunately, there are some breeders who still focus on the old type
Morgans.
http://www.morganly.com/Lippitt%20usa.htm This site include"
Subject: Re: Old-style Morgans (where to find them, is there a foundation registry)
View: Complete Thread (15 articles)
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Date: 2002-11-13 06:35:39 PST
Jacqueline -
I have some good links:
http://www.sportmorgan.com/families/ This site talks about the lines of old
government, brunk, lippit, western working (for example names that start
with 'Lippitt', or lines that include Senator Graham, Jubilee King,
Bennington,Upway Ben Don, Ulysses, Applevale Storm King, Kingston, Warhawk,
Mansfield). It lists how the lines came to be, and what famous Morgans are
from those lines.
If you're looking for the old type Morgans, I would stay away from 'show'
lines such as Noble Flaire, Wham Bam Command, Noble Command,any that start
with UVM - such as UVM Promise, Waseeka's in Command, ones that start with
HVK - such as HVK Bell Flaire. Some people will argue that Wham Bam Command
was half Saddlebred. If you look at the Morgans nowadays, the Saddlebred
look wins - which is very sad. I too like the old style Morgans the best.
The old style Morgans are stocky, with thick necks and calm eyes. The
'show' Morgans are very refined, with long thin necks, big 'buggy' eyes, and
very hot temper. Every time I look at the show Morgans in the Morgan Horse
magazine, it makes me very sad to see what happened to the breed.
Fortunately, there are some breeders who still focus on the old type
Morgans.
http://www.morganly.com/Lippitt%20usa.htm This site include"
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Hello World,
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Anthony
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I cannot wait till the ilovemorgans group is introduced to our Blog. Things are advancing behind the scenes quantum in ways and this is one of the greatest powers ilm has gathered up along the way. It will all change for many of us through opportunity and growth now.
Anthony
Motion Park
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